WHAT ABOUT THE SABBATH
63I think that I am in big trouble for not keeping the Sabbath. My mother, before she passed away started to go to Seventh Day Adventist meetings and I went with her. But we played outside as I was 4 years old. She passed away at 29 when I was 5.
We had a lot of discussions with the people on another side, many of them are very good friends of mine.
I would like to share with you how I understand the matter.
Yes, God told Israel to keep the Sabbath holy.
Some say that the Sabbath was established before the Law, just after the creation. God rested on the seventh day. This is absolutely true.
And on the seventh day God ended his work, which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work, which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested (ceased) from all his work which God created and made (Gen 1:2-3).
Strong concordance reads: Shabbat, shaw-bath'; 7673 a prim. root; to repose, i.e. desist from exertion; used in many impl. relations (caus., fig. or spec.):--(cause to, let, make to) cease, celebrate, cause (make) to fail, keep (Sabbath), suffer to be lacking, leave, put away (down), (make to) rest, rid, still, take away.
God pronounced the day as holy for our benefit, especially for people who are workaholics. The body needs rest every week.
But when God made and completed creation most of the Bible translators translate it as “rested.” But He actually ceased work, since He finished His work. God was not tired. He spoke the words and created it by Words and by faith.
I do not care if we will keep the Sabbath or not (another day). Personally it does not make any difference and I am not against a Sabbath-Saturday either.
This is what I am concern about: religion is a controlling engine and says you must do this and that; you cannot do that and it makes all kind of rules. To me, religion is witchcraft. If I am born of God, what else do I need? All rest is a matter of interpretation.
The Old Testament was the Testament (Covenant) of the Law. We are not under the Israeli law but under the law of liberty. It is a new law, law of spirit. We are not under the law of the flesh, curbing sin, but under the law of the spirit. We are a new creation, which was already predicted by the prophets.
We do not keep the law, because Jesus already kept and fulfilled it for us. Nobody can keep the law. Nobody can and nobody will. Who insists on keeping the law, is violating the new creation status.
Yes Jesus kept the Law. He was operating as an Old Testament prophet. But He kept it also for us. At the end He said: It is finished. He finished the Old Covenant, not salvation, which only started at that time.
The word Sabbath is rest. It is the physical rest. It is rest for the body. But the New Covenant said that we already entered into a permanent spiritual rest. Then rest one day a week one may choose freely. It is up to us.
The first Christian did not adopt the old Law. They received Jesus as their Lord. They started early (Christian Jews) to celebrate, not keep, the resurrection day, which was Sunday. Resurrection is crucial according to scriptures, Romans 10:9-10. Read it:
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised Him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
I have to remind us that the first Christians met daily and listened to the Word. It produced faith and they experienced the glory of God.
We do not keep Sunday but we celebrate the resurrection day. Constantine did not make Sunday a holiday just for fun, but because Christians already celebrated it. Constantine did not care; he was pagan and not even Christian. He was the only sympathizer and was baptized only on his deathbed. He only ratified it. The Roman pagans did not keep the Sabbath, since they were not Jews. It was not a switch from Sabbath to Sunday. Perhaps they kept it on Monday, which was “moon day” for them.
We are under the law of liberty, the law of the new man, born again and not under the Law of Moses, which was the Law of the desert and the exit from slavery. The law was external and not an internal matter. In the sense of an internal matter, the spirit of man was dead, separated from God, even though Israel was the chosen nation, which I love.
The law for Israel was to be kept forever, until the new creation was available. We live in the new law of liberty.
What does the New Covenant Law mean? It is a spirit of liberty, not a spirit of bondage. Paul described it as an example of Sarah and Hagar.
I believe that God is dealing with Israel now and the New Covenant people differently and we bound to love each other. Israel keeps the laws and will again sacrifice. It is because they have not yet received the new birth. Then entire Israel will come to the salvation of our Messiah.
If one wanted to keep the law, who will say what they need to keep? Then we have to start to stone people as this is a part of the law. What is the moral law? We have it in fruit of the spirit. The negative part of sin is the works of the flesh, which is extended moral principles.
Let see the scriptures:
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envying, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God (Gal. 5:19-21).
New Law of liberty is: But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law (Gal. 5:22-23). The Law cannot handle New Creation.
The Bible said if we are in Jesus (the Anointed One) there is no condemnation. But it means being in Him and not walking in the flesh. If someone keeps the Sabbath or not, it is up to him, not up to me. I am not the judge.
Jesus, during the Sabbath, was in the grave and His spirit and soul was in the hell and fought and won against the devil. He took the keys of death and hell from Satan.
In the conclusion: We who are in liberty do not keep Sunday but celebrate Sunday - the resurrection day. There is difference between keeping and celebrating. We do not have to keep the law, since we are unable to keep it.
No. 8109-1
© 2009 Vladimir Uhri
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Thank you for comment.
God never changed His Sabbath day. Man did. I grew up thinking that I had to celebrate it on Sunday. But recently I have begun to observe the Lord's Sabbath on the day He intended, and ever since I have, I have come into many blessings. I advise any Christians that truly love the Lord, to observe His day of rest on His day chosen not what the churches choose.
Sciantel. Thank you for comment. I do also celebrate Sabbath. I celebrate every day since now every day is Lord's day. Blessing is result of faith and not keeping particular day. :-). I am blessed also without being religious.
It is OK if you keep Sabbath. There is no condemnation, who is in Christ Jesus.
I agree with you Vladimir. Very good hub. Love you brother.
Bless you and you have my love too.
Well, here's a SHOCKER from me now. Just in the last couple of days, the Lord's been dealing with me on this issue of the Sabbath. I was fully convinced we are to keep it on Saturday, but understanding more the New Covenant and its message, I ran across this verse (Rom 14:5) "One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind."
We must embrace living in faith and the Word says that the works of the Law are not of faith (or is weak faith); the next verse the Lord showed me is this (Gal 3:11) "But that no man is justified by the Law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, the just [righteous] shall live by faith."
The liberty in Christ is unfathomable, since we still think there's something we must do. Rather, it's something we must BE. When we walk by the Spirit, we produce FRUIT. This is not about the letter of the Law in any way; it's about producing the fruit of the Spirit of Christ, which sets us free from the Law of sin and death (Rom 8:2).
As you stated in your hub (Gal 5:22-23), that when the fruit is evident (which has nothing to do with keeping the Law), there is no Law against us. If we choose to walk by the Law, we are cursed by it (Gal 3:10). We are liberated in Christ Jesus. I took down my hub on the Saturday Sabbath, and pray each believer walk according to the measure of faith God has given them. It doesn't matter what day you worship, as long as you worship Him in spirit and in truth! (John 4:24) Amen.
That's it. This is the light. Awesome. Only one walking in spirit can get it. Walking in flesh means walking in the law. The law is holy, but we were not.
very nice hub
See sis, this is what I was talking about - when folks don't agree with things. As God works with people sometimes they change, sometimes they, don't but you always love them. (like I always love you). They are our spiritual family. Always. And love to you too, Vlad, you cool dude!
Lgali, I do appreciate your support and understanding.
no body, I love you brother. Faith and love overcomes any law I know. They are life.
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5:19
God is love.
It is absolutely truth. But Jesus was talking to the Jews before He established New Covenant. When He died He said: It is finished. He closed and finished Old Covenant. An Old Covenant cannot handle New Creation.
That moment we are born again we enter to permanent everlasting Sabbath.
If I live in an Old Covenant then not keeping Sabbath I should be stoned and so you.
The Commandment of love covers everything. Now I praise Him every day.
Derrick, respectfully, continue to read Matthew. Mat 19:17b-19 state, "'if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.' Then he said to Him, 'Which ones?' And Jesus said, 'Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.' The young man said to Him, 'All these things I have kept; what am I still lacking?' Jesus said to him, 'If you wish to be complete, go and sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.' But when the young man heard this statement, he went away grieving; for he was one who owned much property."
Mat 15: 8 states, “These people honor Me with their lips, but their hearts are far from Me.”
Mat 15:19 “For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, slanders. These are the things which defile the man; but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile the man." Did you notice that the washing of hands, which is included in the Law of Moses, does not matter any longer?
Regarding the Sabbath Day, Colossians 2:16-17 “Therefore let no one act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day—things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ."
Hebrews 14:5 "One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind."
Rom 1:15 “For in the gospel God's righteousness is being revealed from faith to faith, as it is written, ‘The righteous will live by faith.’"
Gal 3:12 “However, the Law is not of faith; on the contrary, ‘he who practices them shall live by them.’"
Mat 7:16 states “You will know them by their fruits.”
Gal 5:22-23 “But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no Law.”
Galatians 5:14, 18 “For the whole Law is fulfilled in one word, in the statement, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” “But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.”
I have written many hubs on the Old and New Covenants, the Law of Moses, and the bottom line is we must be circumcised in our hearts and bear fruit to be known by God, to truly be saved. I invite you to come and visit :-)
Thank you Judah's Daughter for excellent scriptures.
Even if somebody force us keep the law we really cannot. This is why we need Jesus. Jesus kept the law for He will stay free of sin. But also for us, since we could not stay free from it. Now we are free.
Glory to God.
Amen, Vladimir. The Law was to show sin and prepare our hearts for our Savior, who fulfilled the Law. He is the "promise fulfilled" and "the seed". He is the Maker of the Law who died and nailed that Law of sin and death to the cross. It is finished. Now, we walk by faith and allow Him to create in us a clean heart, changing our heart of evil to good and to bear His fruit. Before He came, this was not possible, for the Spirit could not indwell sinful man. Now He can! This is our righteousness in Him. Amen!!
Those are very precious words. How truth they are. What a liberty. Waw. He is so great. He is freedom Maker.
This happens to be a hot topic for me because I have a loved one who is currently oppressed by the legalism of the Seventh Day Adventist teachings. But thank Jesus, he's slowly coming out of it as the truth of God's Word is being revealed to him.
The Sabbath commandment was given specifically to the Jews, not only to remember the completion of Creation but as a memorial to them of the day they were exiled from Egypt. It was never a Gentile law. Also, it was given for the purpose of "solemn rest" in which the Jews were not even supposed to leave their homes at all. Exodus 16:29 says "See! The Lord has given you the Sabbath; therefore on the sixth he gives you bread for two days. Remain each of you in his place; let no one go out of his place on the seventh day." Repeatedly you see the Sabbath command meaning REST. We even see the first introduction of worship on the first day as early as Leviticus. Leviticus 23:11b says "..On the day AFTER the Sabbath the priest shall wave it (the sheaf). And on the day when you wave the sheaf, you shall offer a male lamb a year old without blemish as a burnt offering to the Lord." This is later shadowed in the New Testament by God instructing us to take up our collections of the saints (tithes and offerings) on the first day of the week.
Do you know that the Sabbath commandment is the ONLY commandment that is not restated in the New Testament? All the other 9 are specifically repeated in the NT except the 4th commandment. And if the Sabbath was so important, then why, when Jesus was directly asked by his disciples to name the most important commandments, did Jesus leave out the Sabbath? Yet my loved one was taught by the Seventh Day Adventist group that the 4th commandment was the very highest one and allegiance to it as such was even a prerequisite to his baptism!
You see Jesus going to the synagogue on the Sabbath because He knew exactly where the Jews would be meeting and certainly where the Pharisees would be. And Jesus went there to TEACH them. John 18:20 says "Jesus answered him, 'I have spoken openly to the world. I have taught in synagogues and in the temple, WHERE ALL THE JEWS COME TOGETHER, I have said nothing in secret." God always went where the biggest need was, and surely Jesus, being God, knew that His own people would be the ones who would reject Him the most. The same goes for the apostles as they were starting the Christian church. They knew exactly where they'd find the Jews, to teach them about salvation being offered to the Gentiles. But even then, we begin seeing observance of Sunday as well as every day of the week to worship and teach about Him.
Now look at Hebrews 7:12. “For when there is a change in the priesthood, there is necessarily a change in the law as well.” It's talking about the changeover from the priesthood of Melchizedek to Jesus Christ. With a new priesthood comes CHANGE! Not because God is changing who He is, or changing His Word, but because everything has now been FULFILLED, therefore we're on to better and higher things. It's like moving from milk to meat in our walk with Him. We see this in Galatians 3:23-26
“Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned UNTIL the coming faith would be revealed. So then, the law was our guardian UNTIL Christ came, in order that we may be justified by faith. BUT NOW THAT FAITH HAS COME, we are NO LONGER UNDER a guardian, for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God through faith.” When I think about this verse it reminds me of the school I teach at. The kids are not allowed to chew gum or have electronic devices like PDA’s and must follow a strict dress code. At their age, and in a school setting, there is proper reason for these rules. Such rules are very useful in school. But after they grow up and leave school, they are allowed to chew gum and wear whatever clothes they want and carry PDA’s. Understanding this doesn’t mean that the rules they had as a child were not valuable. It taught structure and discipline, which we all need. But now that those kids have grown up, having learned right from wrong, they must mature and make their own decisions without the teachers of their youth reminding them of the rules they had to keep in school. The Greek meaning of the word “guardian”, which refers to the law, in this verse means “school master” or “child discipliner”. Do we still need one of these, or can we rely on the Holy Spirit to help guide us and hold us accountable to grow and mature? The entire theme of Galatians is telling us to grow up, get off the milk, and understand that the meat of the gospel is walking by FAITH, freely by the Holy Spirit instead of having to follow a list of rules. So, I choose not to "nullify the grace of God, for if justification were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose." Galatians 2:21
John 16:12-14, Jesus Himself is speaking…“I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. When the Spirit of truth comes, He will guide you into ALL the truth, for He will not speak of His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak, and He will declare to you the things that are to come. He will glorify Me, for He will take what is Mine and declare it to you.” I believe the words “guide you into ALL the truth” clearly shows that more truth is to come, after Jesus’ ascension. I believe this is introducing the transition that was to occur after the fulfillment of the law. The church that grew after the ascension was started and established in this transition, this “all truth”. The whole context of saying that the Holy Spirit would guide us into all truth, surely implies that the truth as we knew of prior to the ascension was only partial….more truth was to come. Jesus was telling us to not stop there, but stay tuned, because the Holy Spirit would reveal much more that we needed to learn and understand…..and one of the biggest themes taught after this happens to be on the issue of the law versus grace. and what are new truths we see introduced after this? That all foods have become clean, that we cannot esteem one day higher than another, that salvation now extends beyond the Jews, that we are free to walk in the Spirit which guards us from condemnation, and so on.
The Old Testament is wonderful, but we err when we stay there and don't allow ourselves to embrace the continuing truth that comes later. The Word of God is ALIVE!
Judah's Daughter, the verses you used are the very ones I've shown to my loved one, and the very ones that have begun to open his eyes to the truth.
Solnyshka, I do appreciate your great comment. You should write the hub to help others. Thanks.
sabbath is for the Israelites. Sabbath means rest. we as Christian rest with Jesus Christ. like the early Christians in Acts they worship God everyday, broke bread daily. If the founder of your church is woman beware. read Isaiah 3:12 and the warnings of Paul in the book of Timothy.
bagumbaya, thanks for comment. I do celebrate resurrection which is Sunday. But I worship every day as yous said.
Sabbath was for rest but we entered His peace (rest), which is fruit of the spirit.
I think we are in the same page. But I love Jewish people
since they are our roots.
Not only did Jesus keep the Sabbath as you stated. BUT so did the deciples. Were they so blind as to not see that it was not necessary? Were they that ignorant of what they had just lived through & witnessed? Jesus would surely have told them this was no longer necessary. Or has man been deceived?
Gusser, nice meeting you, sir. Thanks for comment. Well, regarding of keeping the law was very important, since they lived in the dispensation of the Law. It was not excuse not to keep it. But nobody kept the Law but Jesus.
Then God had a plan we can read it in Old Testament book. Keeping the Law and always breaking it is not very practical thing. Jesus kept the Law for us and our "breaking" the sin, curse and Law was nailed on the Wood.
We entered to the grace. As we know the sin and crime cannot be judged twice the we are free. God does not see our sin. If we sin then we repent. Usually free man does not enjoy breaking the Law. But we have new Law. It is Law of the spirit, Law of new creation.
I still recommending keep the Sabbath. If we do not have refrigerators I would suggest avoid eating pork. Those are practical health laws or rules.
Thanks for coming.
You avoided the FACT that the deciples kept the Sabbath. Were they in error? Jesus came to fulfill the law,NOT change the law. He fulfilled the law of blood sacrifice. The deciples & Jesus are the founders of Christianity. FOLLOW THEIR EXAMPLE. If the law was "nailed to wood" THEY would have known that.
Gusser. Law is the demand-er, and executor. It curbed the sin of flesh. But later we were born in the spirit and Law of flesh is not any more needed. Law of the spirit covers it. The grace is the giver. It is unmerited pardon. I am sure you do not grab freedom in spirit yet. Se love covers everything and the same time the faith. We walk not by sight any more but in faith. Jesus ministered during existence of Old Covenant. But He said on the cross "it is finished", it means finished Old covenant not salvation. the Salvation only started, shortly after resurrection. All things are passed away I do all thing new. Before available of new creation there was only flesh and soul alive, the spirit was dormant, precisely dead.
Rom 8:2 For the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
It means law of the spirit – new creation man - born again.
The Deciples KEPT the Sabbath AFTER the resurrection. AFTER when you claim the salvation started. Were they uninformed? Google is your friend. Google Sunday--Saturday--Council of Laoceda-- Sunday worship came CENTURIES after Christ. Was the early church misinformed by the deciples as to the Sabbath? NO!!!! Man changed the day.
Well, Law was given by the Moses and Grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. Was it not Sabbath in the Law? Tell me how many kept the Law? Zero. Only one did and it is Jesus. By the way first believers were celebrating every day. Disciples - Apostles preached every day. Salvation consists believing in resurrected of Jesus from the death (Rom 10:9-10). We do not keep the Sabbath holy we have it inside us, but we celebrated Sundays resurrection. We are free from the Law. Fruit of the spirit covers all. There does not exist law against it (Gal 5). There were people asking what we should keep? The disciples said, stay away of idolatry, eating blood, and never mentioned keep the Sabbath. We already have Shalom with Him inside. Yes Jewish who did not accept the Messiah must keep the Law and then we see the Judgement.
Gusser, please read Act 21:24-25.
The Sabbath was created & santified DURING creation week. WELL before the time of the 10 Commandments, WELL before the time the Jews appear on earth. WELL before the Law was given. God claimed it Holy to all mankind THROUGHOUT the generations. The 4th Commandment clearly says "REMEMBER" the Sabbath.....---therefore to remember it, it had to have come before the Commandments. Since Jesus was with God during Creation week, Jesus was part of the process of making it HOLY. Salvation did not change the Sabbath, or the deciples And the early church would have known that. The Deciples are the reason for the spread of Christianity, Yet you deny what they themselves obeyed. Strange indeed. The switch to Sunday occured in the 4 century AD. History records that FACT. Do you keep the other 9 Commandments inside you too? Or do you accept Murder, Adultery, Bearing false witness, etc as WRONG? You only appear to reject the 4th Commandment. Strange indeed.
"Gusser, please read Act 21:24-25." I am glad that you mention this scripture to Gusser for it is proof that Sha'ul(Pual) was keeping the 'Law' long after Y'shua's death on Calvary. This is actually a quote from Acts 15:20 and vers 21 states the reason why gentiles only have to start doing these few things: For from ancient generations Mosheh has, in every city, those proclaiming him – being read in the congregations every Sabbath.
In Exodus it state that there must be one Torah for Israelite as well as for the stranger(alias gentile). As I understand from Scripture that the Creator never changes. If He does change, then we have no hope. He can any day decide to change our destiny.
Let us make it clear. Salvation is by grace but judgment is according to works. We are save by grace just as all the people of the so called Old Testament. (Hebrews 11)
Gusser, I do understand what you are saying very well. But God did not rest after He finished work of creation. It is only synonymous word. God ceased the work. Later God had to give man one day to rest, since slavery in Egypt has not rest at all. They worked 7 days a week. God choose Sabbath, some believe it is Saturday. It is OK with me. But God also choose gave us new Covenant, which many do not see. When you get new coat you do not use an old under.
yeboyes, nice meeting you friend. I do not have problem to keep an old Law if is keep-able. All I honor Father as Jesus did. Yes God never changes. Yeshuah never changes. But God gave us new Covenant (New Law). There were 15 but 16 covenant and God gave to men for helping him. But God is not under the control He gave to the men. Example is Adamic Covenant. He said do not eat from forbidden Tree... We cannot keep it since this tree do not exist as we know. Jesus lived under Abrahamic Covenant (He was man as we are, except sin), but He also kept the Moses Law until He said: It is finished. The 16th Covenant started we call it New Covenant. In the conclusion: God never changes but changing His work toward men. We are changeable. The Law is not about Him, but under Him.
I am writing Hub now: The Law and Grace. Thanks for visit.
Read this: Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, said the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, said the LORD.
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, said the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, said the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Shalom Vladimir. The only ones in scripture that could not keep the 'Law' were the stiff neck Israelites. I do not know about you but I do not consider myself stiff neck so I attempt to keep Torah. ;-)
It is good you mentioned Jer 31:31-34. If you have Strongs you will notice that the word used for new covenent is the same new that is used for new moon and we know that it is not a brand new moon but a renewed moon. The same with covenant. It is the old just renewed with the add-on of the promised Messiah. There is too much evidence of everyone still walking according to Torah after Yeshua died. Look at Sha'ul(Paul). He considered himself still an Pharisee when on trail.
You may think that we do not need to keep any 'law' but our Father's word is what determine what goes and what not. The idea is not to keep it Torah without fault. The idea is to keep as much as we are able out of love for our heavenly Father. Obedience is better than ...
Keeping commandments is for receiving blessings. It is ok if you do not want blessings.(The greatest be to be part of the bride of Messiah). By the way, There are 1050 commandments in the Renewed Covenant according to Dakes annotated Bible. I downloaded the list just yesterday.
Consider these words of Messiah in Matthew 5
17 Do not think that I came to destroy the Torah or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to complete.The Law and the Prophets is a term used for the pre-Messianic Scriptures.
18 For truly, I say to you, till the heaven and the earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall by no means pass from the Torah till all be done.1Footnote: 1Lk. 16:17. Luka 16:17;
19 Whoever, then, breaks one of the least of these commands, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the reign of the heavens; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the reign of the heavens.
As a concerning friend I want to add yet another scripture for consideration. In Ezekiel 36:24-27 the reason is given why we received the Holy Spirit. Look at verse 27.
24 "And I shall take you from among the gentiles, and I shall gather you out of all lands, and I shall bring you into your own land.
25 "And I shall sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean – from all your filthiness and from all your idols I cleanse you.
26 "And I shall give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you. And I shall take the heart of stone out of your flesh, and I shall give you a heart of flesh,
27 and put My Spirit within you1. And I shall cause you to walk in My laws and guard My right-rulings and shall do them.
yeboyes---well said--How hard they struggle to keep the traditions of men instead of the Commandments of God.
Yeboyes. Yes, cool verses. They are in my list I intend to convince Jewish friends about prediction of New Covenant. The statement Ezekiel said did not mean too much to listeners, since they hoped only they would be now with us. They did not grab that laws will be changed. Why? Because an Old Law was curbing only sin flesh but New Law will be on the wall on the heart. See fruit of the spirit Gal 5. New Covenant demanded new dictionary. Paul said there is no such law for it (Gal 5:22-23).
Gusser. Yes, Yeshuvah came to fulfill the Law we could not. Then after man is born again, he got new heart and this needs new rules.
One tries to keep the law will empty work of Jesus.
Answer your comment of course He came to people of Israel not that time to gentiles. He had to keep the law otherwise He would become sinner. The Law is specifically for Israel, not for us who walk by faith. We are different species. We are new creation.
Vlad--Paul & Peter preached to Gentiles not Israelites. Paul & Peter kept the Sabbath while preaching to Gentiles. CHECKMATE
The early Christian Church was led by those who lived in Christ's time. The Church at that time observed the Sabbath. Paul & Peter went amongst the Gentiles & still kept the Sabbath. Even after the Resurrection. To put it as plain as possible, either they were fools in not knowing the Sabbath was changed to Sunday or someone today is. You can not possibly believe you know better the founders of Christianity. Follow their example.
If you read the Bible well, you see that they went to Synagogues. Only one can preach were people are. Peter ministered to Jews and Paul mostly to to gentiles. Then look and read Paul wrote letters to Galatians 3. On the beginning Peter wanted to keep the law for all and Paul rebuked him.
Sabbath was not changed to Sunday at all. Sabbath has to be kept, but Sunday is celebration of resurrection basic for salvation.
The Resurrection did not occur on Sunday. Read all 4 Gospels. The Women went to the tomb very early on the first day of the week. Before dawn. HE WAS ALREADY ARISEN. Simply, he was gone before they arrived about sunrise. THEREFORE Easter Sunrise services to honor his Sunday rising are FALSE DOCTRINE. He was GONE before then. The Sabbath Day comes before Sunday. As you persist in sticking to the Doctrines of man over the Commands of God, I will kick the dust from my shoes and move on.
Gusser good. Move on. Sabbath is starting Friday at sunset, ending "Saturday" evening at sunset. Woman came to tomb early first day in the morning, while it was still dark (but not too dark one cannot see). Thanks for visit. Did you write any Hubs? The Bible did not say He was risen in Sabbath day.
Thanks Gusser. You know, people think of Yahweh's commandments as 'The Ten Commandments'. But is that all? I assume that His festivals are just as important as His Sabbath. What do you think?
I see that Vladimir was writing a hub: The Law and Grace.
As it appears to me, he wrote maybe The Law verses Grace. I want to go and read it. Shalom
yeboyes: The annual festivals of God teach us many lessons. Christians need to return to Gods Law & Festivals to understand his purpose. The Messiah CLEARLY kept both the Law & the Festivals. He is our example on how to live. THEREFORE: we should keep both also. Grace be with you.
yeboyes, shalom. I did said I am writing (almost finished) the Hub, LAW AND GRACE. I am born again, baptized in the Holy Spirit and I know what I believe. I am free from being under curse of the Law. No one kept the Law except Yeshuvah. So one may live in grace and God does not see our sin He see only His Son covering us.
& Gusser, see Jesus was ministering to Jew, but Paul to New Creation people (or to Gentiles). It is not Jesus or Paul. Paul had Pauline revelation for new creation.
Yes, yeboyes, Yeshuvah did not destroyed Torah but fulfilled it.
My last comment on the subject. Thanks Gusser I agree without being legalistic.
Vladimir, I just want to remove misconception. Fulfilled in that context means that Torah was teaching that Messiah would come and by coming He completed what Torah taught.
I came out of an afrikaans churh known as NG church. When I was born again I changed to AGS(AFM). That was when our heavenly Father showed me that He was going to teach me. At that time I understood His Way the way you understand it. After six years in a home-cell I thought that I must be spiritually in standard ten. Shortly thereafter He showed me that I was in standard 5 going for six. Now after ten years since then He indeed taught me His ways. And I am still learning.
Two last remarks from scripture that help changing me:
Dev 30:11 (Scrpt) "For this command which I am commanding you today, it is not too hard for you, nor is it far off.
Rev 22:13-14 (ASV)
13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city
I am now withdrawing from this hub to read others. I am looking foreword to read your next. As I always say: You may chose to live and believe the way you wish. No offense. I cannot one day give account on your life neither can you about mine. Many blessings. Well exchange ideas again in the future. Shalom(meaning: total wellness).
Sorry, Father prompted me about the following:
You said: 'But Jesus was talking to the Jews before He established New Covenant. When He died He said: It is finished. He closed and finished Old Covenant.'
???? Where in the whole Scripture is that supported. All that was finished was His work of redemption. In other words: He finished the process of baying the people back for the Kingdom of our heavenly Father. In Hebrew culture no previous Covenants were discarded. New covenants were added or old ones were renewed or clauses were added.
Everything in the apostolic writings can be verified in the Torah, Writings and Prophets but not this idea of yours.
Maybe I must learn something or maybe you should reconsider. Please inform me where this comes from.
Anyway, no more from me unless Father instructs me.
yeboyes, bless you brother. My understanding is that Jesus before died took curse of the Law on Himself. He shed His blood for our sin. Redemption only started. He went to hell for defeat Satan. Then after resurrection He went to Father with blood as High priest. It was resurrection when started redemption. When He died He finished and Old Covenant. An Old Covenant was curbing only flesh, but new spirit new creation did not existed, yet. He was firstborn among many brethren.
The second point you made He was talking in Revelation about commandment of love which covers the sins. See when one love cannot steal, covet etc.
As you said God did not remove any law, He just placed in new our hearts we can fulfill all but another way, spirit way and not flesh way.
I wish you abundant blessing, brother.
Love is only one commandment. Revelation is plural. Just for interest sake: if one reads the prophets it says that in the Kingdom to come all men will have to go to Yerushalaim 3 times a year for three of Fathers festivals otherwise that nations will not get rain. Shalom, shalom.
yeboyes, thanks, shalom.
Yeboyes, of course I meant love you God from all your heart and neighbor as yourself.
If you were not a pastor I would say. Ok, go your way. But, you are a shepherd and double responsible. Therefore I am compelled to give an investigation (or almost) of most of the discussion on your hub.
The law for Israel was to be kept forever, until the new creation was available. We live in the new law of liberty.
Where does Scripture says “until the new creation was available”?.
And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year, and proclaim, liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof: it shall be a jubilee unto you; and ye shall return every man unto his possession, and ye shall return every man unto his family. Fathers Law IS liberty. It is man that impose the opposite.
Ps 119:45 And I will walk at liberty: for I seek thy precepts
What does the New Covenant Law mean? It is a spirit of liberty, not a spirit of bondage. Paul described it as an example of Sarah and Hagar.
If you read the preceding verses of Gal 4, you will find that Hagar is symbolic of those who are/were those who does Torah(‘law’) to be saved by their works (vers 21 see also Gal 5:4). Torah is not the Covenant. It is the marriage contract and rules of Father’s household.
I believe that God is dealing with Israel now and the New Covenant people differently and we bound to love each other.
That means that He changed!
Israel keeps the laws and will again sacrifice. It is because they have not yet received the new birth. Then entire Israel will come to the salvation of our Messiah.
If one wanted to keep the law, who will say what they need to keep?
Scripture is clear about that. When living in Israel under Fathers rule all will apply. Israel today is secular. Outside Israel we still need to keep every commandment that does not apply to the land. There is no Temple thus that is also out.
Then we have to start to stone people as this is a part of the law. What is the moral law? We have it in fruit of the spirit. The negative part of sin is the works of the flesh, which is extended moral principles.
True that the moral law is part of fruit of the spirit but Fathers feasts are nowhere accommodated in the Christian idea of the fruit of the Spirit. Christians without knowing it keep much of the “Old Testament Laws”
The Law cannot handle New Creation.
Wrong. Yeshua was surprised that Nicodemus did not know about born again concept because it was part of the original faith.
The Bible said if we are in Jesus (the Anointed One) there is no condemnation. But it means being in Him and not walking in the flesh. If someone keeps the Sabbath or not, it is up to him, not up to me. I am not the judge.
If one are in Messiah you are keeping Father’s commandments. Joh 1:1 states that Yeshua is the Word. The only Word known that time (‘new Testament did not exist jet) was Torah, writings and Prophets. Studying the Bible will reveal that Yeshua is Torah in the flesh.
In the conclusion: We who are in liberty do not keep Sunday but celebrate Sunday - the resurrection day.
No proof of that. It is only an assertion and a known fact that in the Roman Catholic writings they boast of changing the Sabbath to Sunday.
I am blessed also without being religious.
What is being religious? People will have different definitions. I believe that it is doing rituals to clear ones conscious no matter in which ‘religion’.
That's it. This is the light. Awesome. Only one walking in spirit can get it. Walking in flesh means walking in the law. The law is holy, but we were not.
Walking in flesh is according to scripture contrary to Torah!
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
2 Pet 2:10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous [are they], selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.
If we are not holy then it is because we are nor born again, spirit filled and walking in Torah.
1Pet 2:9 But ye [are] a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: Quote from Exo 19:6
Matthew 5:19
It is absolutely truth. But Jesus was talking to the Jews before He established New Covenant. When He died He said: It is finished. He closed and finished Old Covenant. An Old Covenant cannot handle New Creation.
Not supported in Scripture. Again an assertion. Joh 8:38 I speak what I have seen with My Father, and you do what you have heard from your father." He will not preach that which would soon expire!
Covenants in Hebrew culture never expire. It get renewed or clauses been added.
That moment we are born again we enter to permanent everlasting Sabbath.
So we may not to work at all! That’s what Shabat means: to cease.
If I live in an Old Covenant then not keeping Sabbath I should be stoned and so you.
And in future again if He does not change you.
The Commandment of love covers everything. Now I praise Him every day.
Elohim is love. Which means “The Old Covenant” is not about love? He changed?
Deu 6:5 And you shall love YHVH your Elohim with all your heart, and with all your being, and with all your might.
Lev 19:18 Do not take vengeance or bear a grudge against the children of your people. And you shall love your neighbour as yourself.
Even if somebody force us keep the law we really cannot. This is why we need Jesus. Jesus kept the law for He will stay free of sin. But also for us, since we could not stay free from it. Now we are free.
Assertions!
Dev 30:11 (Scrpt) "For this command which I am commanding you today, it is not too hard for you, nor is it far off.
Nobody, not even Yeshua can keep us free from sin. We have the responsibility to ask forgiveness when we stumble and the responsibility to be obedient.
Do you know that the Sabbath commandment is the ONLY commandment that is not restated in the New Testament?
Maybe because everybody was still keeping Shabat.
sabbath is for the Israelites.
Are we not grafted in?
they lived in the dispensation of the Law.
Where does Scripture support that. No such concept in Scripture.
curse and Law was nailed on the Wood.
Col 2:14 having blotted out the certificate of debt against us – by the dogmas – which stood against us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the stake
certificate of debt against us was nailed to the stake not Torah
We entered to the grace
Did Noah not found grace? Look it up
Was it not because of grace that the Israelites were brought out of Mitsraim?
Did they not receive Torah after their deliverance through grace?
Can anyone imagine Israelites punished because of rejecting Torah after they accept it and then Father turned around en say to ‘the church’: You don’t need to keep the law anymore. It has been done away with? It was a mistake. ????
A warning from Father to be careful what you teach.
Hello, friend. You said, quoting: "I believe that God is dealing with Israel now and the New Covenant people differently and we bound to love each other."
"That means that He changed!"
Sorry I have only short time to address one thing. I do not have problem with God made everlasting covenant with the Israel. But we are new creation. God does not change! We change. God changed covenants. Example, He made Covenant with Abraham (did not give him Law, only one and bunch of promises). It does not apply for us. We are not supposed to go to Promised Land. We have new Covenant which was made between Father and Ben Elohim - Yeshuvah.
yeboyes. I tried to find some writing of yours, but not find any. I revealed my name and what who I am and what I believe. You may contact me via HubPages. Thanks and Lord Bless you.
Vlad: its getting funny now. To quote you from above, " God does not change. God changed covenants". Therefore: GOD CHANGED You are trying to explain away things by making statements that contridict each other.
Thank you Gusser. Someone that is awake!
“God changed covenants. Example, He made Covenant with Abraham (did not give him Law, only one and bunch of promises). It does not apply for us. We are not supposed to go to Promised Land. We have new Covenant which was made between Father and Ben Elohim - Yeshuvah.”
Sorry, we are grafted in according to Paul. That means what is good for them is good for us. There is just two places to go. Promised Land or destructing which people call hell sometimes. According to Prophets and Revelation all people will be on earth and Messiah in Jerusalem on the throne and faithful believers will reign with Him. That is if we serve the same ‘God’. Why will Father have two different set of house rules? Did you have more than one set of rules for you children? Or were they also lawless?
The way you present the faith is ignoring prophesy and ignore the fact that there is, when studying Scripture, not an entity called church(Which is understood to be non Jews like us). The only place in Scripture where the translation uses church correctly is in connection with a pagan temple! Look for yourself. The word 'ekklesia' means called out ones or assembly. Same as the Israelites were called in the so called 'Old Testament'. There is no separation between the 'Old Testament' and 'New Testament'. It's man-made. Just read the church history to see how the Way the apostles preached were kidnapped and rid of Jewishness. There is, if I can estimate about 1% believers if that many that do the effort to read history to find out what rubbish happened to the original faith.
Covenant with Abraham (did not give him Law) I think you should reconsider because:
Gen 26:5 because Abraham obeyed My voice and guarded My Charge: My commands, My laws, and My Torot." Footnote: Torot - plural of Torah, teaching
Note all the plural forms.
You will notice that I did not include all in my previous comment. It is just too many for the time I had.
If you click on 'yeboyes' it will take you to my details with links to the hubs I wrote. It is not too difficult.
Gusser, my friend. God never changes. But we are changing. Entire earth changed and came under the curse. Did God change love to hate? Did He changed faith to doubt? But we changed. For grace, new birth man needed different conditions, spirit condition. New creation cannot be under the Law of death and flesh. He must walk in the spirit. Not sure you understand what I am talking about. I was not born yesterday. I spent more time in Tanakh as I did in New Testament.
You noticed that we do not keep commandments. The Commandment of faith and love (spirit)is working for us. It bears fruit. There is no law for such. Read Gal 5. When Elohim is looking to us He sees not us but Yeshuvah HaMashiah. We live not in religion any more but in freedom of spirit.
yeboyes. Yes you are right we were grafted according to Paul. But not to old tree but to new one, new "created tree". The same time we do not run by the rules, since we are sons of living Adonay. We are not children of disobedience. Did you notice how Yeshuvah honored and love the Father?
Did you read: "I will give you New Covenant, I will give you new heart and new spirit"?
Love you brothers.
the faith and love
are two basic elements
of new life
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Yeboyes, I did click before and found nothing.
Vlad: Of course you're correct. Jesus kept the law & festivals because he didn't know any better. His Deciples kept the law & festivals because they didn't know any better. After the resurrection the deciples kept the law & festivals because Jesus "forgot" to tell them it was no longer necessary. In fact the founders of your faith were really in the dark about everything. They lived their lives in total darkness of the facts that you now believe. Jesus & the Deciples were wrong, you are right. Why since it's part of the law we are no longer under, I can now commit murder & adultery. I can tell my parents off & Lie & steal too. Perhaps even build some graven images of God. Yep, You are right & they were wrong. God show mercy on them.
Hey I never was Jew. Perhaps my great grand mother was. But it is questionable. So I never was broken branch from the Jewish tree. You must be kidding. Regarding religion, it is my enemy. Religion is man's opinion. Religious man always thinks is better than others. I know whom I believe and i am free. I was bought by precious blood of Yeshuvah HaMashiah. I am not arrogant, someone else is. You even never introduced yourself. But I do not hold any bitterness to you. Yeshuvah bought you too. I wrote about Sabbath in the context of other hubbers. I am not afraid. The Bible said fear not! Why I should be since I became son of Elohim the Creator?
I can see you do not know difference between old man of flesh and spirit man of Paul who straggled. See when we are born again we still must be "saved" which is renewing mind (soul) by the WORD.
yeboyes----From the above response it is clear that you & I have put forth the truth. Let God now enlighten the deceived.
Gusser you made me cry.
Here are mine two Haiku:
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I said: Yes
to our God
in faith
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God said
in His grace:
I’ll never leave you
nor forsake you
I ask forgiveness if I sounded arrogant. I suppose you refer to " – if you know what the Tanuch teaches." What I meant was that people read the Tanuch but do not give attention to what it teach as the focus is on the Apostolic writings. I should not have written it. Sorry. If anything else I said in arrogance - please show it to me so that I can restore the damage. I did not say or hint you are Jewish I just quoted Scripture which uses 'wild olive tree' meaning non Jewish. Fight with 'Paul'. He wrote it. I see a tendancy to misread or twist my words and my intention.
I feel it is NOT important who I am as what Father's will is. I am, because of Father's calling on my life, zealous about the truth. Scripture mentions two that is truth. You will know that I refer to Torah as well as Yeshua.
Your righteousness is righteousness forever, And Your Torah is truth Ps 119:142
Blessed are the perfect in the way, Who walk in the Torah of YHVH! Ps 119:1
For the command is a lamp, And the Torah a light1, And reproofs of discipline a way of life,Pro 6:23
Yeshua said to him, "I am the Way, and the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
Which part do you not understand? Maybe: " I see a tendancy to misread or twist my words and my intention"
Let me give an example:
You reply this:
"Yeboyes, of course I meant love you God from all your heart and neighbor as yourself."
On this:
"Love is only one commandment. Revelation is plural. Just for interest sake: if one reads the prophets it says that in the Kingdom to come all men will have to go to Yerushalaim 3 times a year for three of Fathers festivals otherwise that nations will not get rain. Shalom, shalom."
You did not aswer my reply. I know 'love your God from all your heart and neighbor as yourself.' is what you had in mind. It is anywhy a quote from Deu 11:13 & 22; Deu 13:3; Lev 19:18. The Old Covenant as you call it.
That is not an answer on what I wrote. The word commandments (plural) has been used and not commandment (singular) which could imply love. Since the plural has been used it can only be Torah. If you study Yeshua's words you will see that is what He taught and will be teaching when He return. See Isa 2:2-4
But anywhy, I am not going to return to this Hub at all. Shalom.
I did not make any ?????. I said thanks for verses and Bless you. t was not me and I will deleted it.
The truth is not in this one.
Gusser, please be specific. Do not talk in the fog.
If you can't understand that one --don't try understanding scripture. I too won't return to this hub. God have mercy.
yeboyes it was not me who did "yeboyes ???????". It was either Hub editor or mistake of system. I wrote, Thanks for verses and bless you.
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, said the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, said the LORD.
einron Level 4 Commenter 2 years ago
I disagree with you, but respect you as a person with individual thoughts.